Re: Brave browser
By: Dumas Walker to HALIAN on Thu Sep 12 2024 09:29 am

Most all browsers, including now Microsoft's Edge, are forked from either Chromium or the Mozilla/Firefox family tree. IIRC, Opera is now a fork of

I think the point was it just not to be Chrome or Chromium.

Firefox just announced something about AI in its browser. I'm hoping the FF forks leave that stuff out.

There was that other browser engine for a bit, Electron? I think that one might've gone over to the Chromium side too, if I'm not mistaken.

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º I think the point was it just not to be Chrome or Chromium. ÈÍËÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ [quote from phigan]
º Exactly. >.>
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º Firefox just announced something about AI in its browser. I'm hoping the FF
º forks leave that stuff out. ÈÍËÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ [quote from phigan]
º As do I. I'm sick of AI worming its way into everything, and
º enshittification more generally.
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º There was that other browser engine for a bit, Electron? I think that one
º might've gone over to the Chromium side too, if I'm not mistaken. ÈÍËÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ [quote from phigan]
º I wasn't aware that it was ever *not* Chromium-based. :o
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There was that other browser engine for a bit, Electron? I think that one might've gone over to the Chromium side too, if I'm not mistaken.

There is WebKit. Epiphany is based on it. However, it could very well be another name for Chromium or Mozilla/FF for all I know. :)


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|01º|07 There is WebKit. Epiphany is based on it. However, it could very |01º|07 well be another name for Chromium or Mozilla/FF for all I know. :) |01ÈÍËÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ|09 [quote from Dumas Walker] |01º|07 WebKit is the browser engine underpinning Safari, as well as the |01º|07 browsers built into the PS3/Nintendo 3DS and onward.
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Re: Brave browser
By: Dumas Walker to PHIGAN on Fri Sep 13 2024 08:36 am

There is WebKit. Epiphany is based on it. However, it could very well be another name for Chromium or Mozilla/FF for all I know. :)

yeah Webkit is a nice backup to have, but kinda sux if you try using it as your primary. It does work when something like Librewolf fails.

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WebKit is the browser engine underpinning Safari, as well as the
browsers built into the PS3/Nintendo 3DS and onward.

Good to know!


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There is WebKit. Epiphany is based on it. However, it could very well be another name for Chromium or Mozilla/FF for all I know. :)

yeah Webkit is a nice backup to have, but kinda sux if you try using it as you
primary. It does work when something like Librewolf fails.

I have found that Epiphany chokes on some sites but it works way better, speedwise, on machines with fewer cores or less memory and in situations
where I need something a little more powerful than links2.


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Re: Re: Brave browser
By: Gamgee to halian on Thu Sep 12 2024 08:05 am

1. It's a Chromium fork, thus polluting the browser market with
false choice

Gamgee >> 1. Okay, so a Chromium fork is "bad", but a Firefox fork is fine.

It is a bit of a matter of perspective. As far as Chromium remains open-source I don't think the monoculture aspect is too problematic. Still, it sucks when some non-standard becomes so dominant it starts being difficult to use any alternative. Thankfully, I think we are far from that point.

The only firefox fork I have ried s Pale Moon. It was ok, but the developpers were assholes and the whole deal was very Windows centric. They had a very "just use Windows" vibe that got them out of many repositories.


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Re: Brave browser
By: Dumas Walker to PHIGAN on Sun Sep 15 2024 09:49 am

speedwise, on machines with fewer cores or less memory and in situations where I need something a little more powerful than links2.

Nice, I've been looking for something for those situations. What's the "crappiest" computer you've used Epiphany on?

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speedwise, on machines with fewer cores or less memory and in situations where I need something a little more powerful than links2.

Nice, I've been looking for something for those situations. What's the "crappiest" computer you've used Epiphany on?

Intel Atom x5-Z8350 quad-core with 2M Cache & 2GB DDR3L-1600 RAM

I actually thought it was a single core machine. This is a machine that
can play YT videos via Firefox usually ok but that chokes on other websites
and on other tasks. For example, I cannot run shotcut or the gimp on it
and expect things to go well and, with the most recent upgrade to debian bookworm, local video playback is choppy where it used to be smooth.

There are some sites that Epiphany will also choke on, but not as many as
when running firefox.

I need to try Epiphany on the dual-core Presario I have here and see what happens. OK, just tried it. Real slow but it did work and wasn't any
slower than firefox or chromium. I think that machine will be a
links2-only machine. ;)


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Re: Brave browser
By: Dumas Walker to PHIGAN on Thu Sep 19 2024 09:39 am

Intel Atom x5-Z8350 quad-core with 2M Cache & 2GB DDR3L-1600 RAM

I actually thought it was a single core machine. This is a machine that can

I bought hundreds of Dell E420s, neat little systems with a Core 2 Duo, 1.2 ghz. For the time, it was a great traveler PC - lightweight, and the high-capacity battery stuck out the front, making for a makeshift keyboard rest.

I had one that kept coming back because people reported it was too slow. It had the same stickers and config as the others, but when I ran CPU-Z, realized it had a 1.0 ghz Core 2 Solo. I'd never *heard* of that chip.

It explained why the battery lasted so long. I kept it around, Dell sent me a properly spec'ed D420 to replace it and didn't ask for a return.
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Intel Atom x5-Z8350 quad-core with 2M Cache & 2GB DDR3L-1600 RAM

I actually thought it was a single core machine. This is a machine that ca

I bought hundreds of Dell E420s, neat little systems with a Core 2 Duo, 1.2 ghz. For the time, it was a great traveler PC - lightweight, and the high-capacity battery stuck out the front, making for a makeshift keyboard rest.

Yeah, just because some of them sound underpowered doesn't mean they don't
have their uses.

I had one that kept coming back because people reported it was too slow. It ha
the same stickers and config as the others, but when I ran CPU-Z, realized it had a 1.0 ghz Core 2 Solo. I'd never *heard* of that chip.

It explained why the battery lasted so long. I kept it around, Dell sent me a properly spec'ed D420 to replace it and didn't ask for a return.

LOL, it does explain why the battery lasted longer. I have not heard of
that chip, either. It was nice of them to send out the proper one and not ask for a return.


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³ I avoid it like the plague for a few different reasons:
³
³ 1. It's a Chromium fork, thus polluting the browser market with false choice
³ 2. It's inextricably linked to cryptocurrency (specifically BAT)
³ 3. It's run by outspoken anti-LGBTQIA+ activist Brendan Eich
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³ I currently use Floorp (a Firefox fork) with æBlock Origin.

I can agree with part 1, Brave should have used the firefox engine or
the engine from Safari instead. Browser makers don't want to do it the
hard way.

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Firefox just announced something about AI in its browser. I'm hoping the FF forks leave that stuff out.

AI= Bloat, and the API for AI providers is not free either. My favorite
email client wants people to pay 40/yr for using the AI APIS.

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³ I avoid it like the plague for a few different reasons:
³
³ 1. It's a Chromium fork, thus polluting the browser market with false choice
³ 2. It's inextricably linked to cryptocurrency (specifically BAT)
³ 3. It's run by outspoken anti-LGBTQIA+ activist Brendan Eich
³
³ I currently use Floorp (a Firefox fork) with æBlock Origin.

I can agree with part 1, Brave should have used the firefox engine or
the engine from Safari instead. Browser makers don't want to do it the hard way.

Except for those that do, because the only rule that has no exception is that every rule has an exception. :P

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Re: Re: Brave browser
By: Arelor to Gamgee on Mon Sep 16 2024 18:34:03

It is a bit of a matter of perspective. As far as Chromium remains open-source I don't think the monoculture aspect is too
problematic. Still, it sucks when some non-standard becomes so dominant it starts being difficult to use any alternative.
Thankfully, I think we are far from that point.

Personally I'm more into Firefox. I don't know why, because it's just a browser, but I still prefer it to Chrome and Chromium-based browsers.

The only firefox fork I have ried s Pale Moon. It was ok, but the developpers were assholes and the whole deal was very Windows
centric. They had a very "just use Windows" vibe that got them out of many repositories.

Yeah, that's pretty bad... Heard that Pale Moon developer(s) killed MyPal too. I'll have to find a replacement for it on my older Windows installations.
RetroZilla doesn't solve some SSL/TLS incompatibilities that happen in my use case, but Pale Moon does it pretty okay... unless the website depends too much on JavaScript and CSS 3.

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Re: Re: Brave browser
By: Neko to Arelor on Mon Sep 30 2024 04:18 pm

Personally I'm more into Firefox. I don't know why, because it's just a browser, but I still prefer it to Chrome and Chromium-based browsers.

I personally prefer Firefox because it is relatively easy to fix.

I say this because most web browsers are broken, in the sense that they leak a whole lot of information about what you do to third parties via telemetric services and the like. With Firefox you can load the arkenfox user.sj file and remove the issue in one sweep.


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Re: Re: Brave browser
By: Arelor to Neko on Thu Oct 03 2024 07:20 pm

Personally I'm more into Firefox. I don't know why, because it's just a browser, but I still prefer it to Chrome and Chromium-based browsers.

I personally prefer Firefox because it is relatively easy to fix.

I say this because most web browsers are broken, in the sense that they leak a whole lot of information about what you do to third parties via telemetric services and the like. With Firefox you can load the arkenfox user.sj file and remove the issue in one sweep.

i ditched firefox because it used to have all those memory holes. i only used it for the addons. now with chrome they have the addons i can use so i'm happier.
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Re: Re: Brave browser
By: Arelor to Neko on Thu Oct 03 2024 19:20:54

I personally prefer Firefox because it is relatively easy to fix.

I say this because most web browsers are broken, in the sense that they leak a whole lot of information about what you do to third parties via telemetric
services and the like. With Firefox you can load the arkenfox user.sj file and remove the issue in one sweep.

Cool! I'll have to try it.

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